toaks @toaks

Fair point. In this respect, I agree (sorta). Gender equality can't exist in most sports because of the physical difference between men and women, but women should be paid a living wage. If men's football generates more money, then I do think they should get paid more. They get more money after all.

dertermenter @dertermenter

It frustrates me so much that people think that female footballers should get the same pay as men.

Why are we turning a popularity issue into an equaliy issue?

No, The women’s world cup winners don’t deserve the same prize money as men world cup winners. Why should they? Men’s world cup 2018 generated $5,279,000,000 more than the 2019 women’s world cup and that number will probably increase depending that the 2022 mens world cup generated 7.5 billion.

But yeah, gender equality!!!!!

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but they're doing the same work. there’s no difference in the effort/training that goes into representing your country at the highest level. also, in order to incentivize women to go into sports (a field which they have long been excluded/prohibited from), you have to set an example for young women that they are going to be fairly compensated for their work (and the training/effort that goes into it). additionally, ~50% of the population is female so there’s definitely a very large potential audience for women’s sports as society starts to change its views/attitudes.

It's not up to me who's popular. I agree with you!

The reason why men football is more popular than women is the fact that it’s way higher quality, and fans want to see that.

USAWNT lost to some 15 year old boys one time.

So what? They are competing at the highest level, have won 4 world cups, and the US Women's Team that you mentioned generate more money for the country than the US Men's team! (This is despite them being paid LESS very recently)

I’ve already destroyed your argument on “women’s team got paid less despite making more from 2016-2018” so won’t bother replying to this either

Also women going into football is not really a “social” factor - they just aren’t as interested as physical sports than men, since well, football is a physical sport.

In the UK the men and women get the same opportunities in football in schools, but I’ve seen firsthand that girls choose not to use them.

I have the biggest respect for women’s football but it’s popularity, not gender, and that how much work they do isn’t a factor for how much they get payed - it’s how much they make.

it’s the same you can’t expect volleyball players to pay earn the same as footballers, since they generate much less interest than football.

It IS a social factor, which you can see by the fact that the FA banned women from competing in sports for 50 years, while men had the opportunity to see, learn, and compete during that entire time. Then, when they are finally allowed to play, it’s going to take time for the continuing pressures against Women in sports to wear off. This combined with the social pressures working against young women by lack of school/family encouragement, coaching, and representation leads to a lack of participation. The other proof that it is a social issue is that as many of these barriers have been removed/lessened and young women can see more examples of how it’s possible for them to participate and suceed, the sport's popularity, participation, and quality improved. It's the same with women in medicine, science/STEM, as well as many other fields.

But I don’t have an interest in re-arguing over the same points/opinions I have shared with you in the past, so I will

…probably not reply anymore :)

I won’t reply anymore either since I’m not going to waste my time countering your points when I already have and when you’re just gonna go off and talk about the past, not addressing my points at all. Women getting the same pay as men in sports is one of the most illogical arguments ever.