i can't be fucked with this anymore
you’re saying victorian-era britain was socialist
read a book. literally just any book
So you’re resorting to insults now? That's not a good look ngl. Also, you mentioned the UK as an argument so we might as well refer to its past when it was originally called the British Empire, since that was the time when most of everything was owned publicly, and was used against the Irish, which is very similar to what we have in socialism and communism today. We don’t think the UK had socialism during the British Empire when it was in place, but what we do know is that they did publicly own things, and what does socialism promote? Public ownership of all goods and services by the government. You used the UK as an argument of how bad capitalism is, told me that I was scared to mention the UK, and then you used insults like stupid and muppet when I actually did mention them. That’s a really awful look and that proves your inability to argue your case well. Do better next time. Or better yet, really reflect on your view on socialism and compare it to what socialism really is, because if you think socialism will be a magical utopia where everyone’s basic needs will actually be met and everyone (including the poor) will be prosperous under socialism and its government without any exploitation from anyone, let me tell you this… you need a brutal reality check, because your view is the complete opposite of reality.
when did i mention the british empire you muppet, do you genuinely think that we had socialism during the british empire and then after the british empire everything was privatised? you're not just wrong, you're stupid.
Lmao that’s a lie and you know that. Firstly, just because we didn’t mention the UK, doesn’t automatically mean that we “know how much better everything was when it was publically owned” because it wasn’t. Look at Ireland, the UK literally took away their food and put them in a potato famine because they wanted to be Catholic and they didn’t like it. And in the UK, things were publicly owned by the government, as you said, so everyone was at the mercy of the British Empire, hence why we are arguing against socialism and for capitalism. And if the empire was so great back then, why did countries like India, Canada, the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Bangladesh, Pakistan, etc declare independence? Because they wanted freedom, and the UK refused to give it to them. It’s the same in communism and socialism. We are not red-scared, we are simply informed individuals that will fight for our economic and civil liberties to be protected. This is the main purpose of creating this account. Guys, do not fall for socialism’s lies. They say we are scared but they don’t want to debunk anything we’ve said, because they can’t do it, which is why they are putting false assumptions and lies against us, a classic tactic in the socialist and communist nations. Don’t fall for them. We can’t let history repeat itself and spread everywhere. Follow us today to fight for our freedoms and liberties from lies and economic control.
you seem very reluctant to even acknowledge the uk so i assume you actually do know how much better everything was when it was publically owned, but your entire education you've just been red-scared into thinking “capitalism good others bad”
Again, neoliberalism does equate to capitalism, as said before. One country doing poorly with their nation does not mean the entire system is all horrible and we need to switch to socialism. Seriously, socialism doesn’t work, and there are examples of that in many countries that have tried socialism but ended up failing because of poor funding from the government because they just can’t afford to keep the people fed. Other socialist governments like Vietnam had to adopt capitalist policies because the economy has stagnated, because they realize that socialism doesn’t entirely work. Even China, a communist government, had to adopt capitalist policies because an economy that’s entirely communist doesn’t work either. Capitalism is superior and these two countries know that, that’s why these nations are successful.
greece is quite the example to use first considering stuff like this https://jacobin.com/2023/03/greece-railroad-accident-safety-austerity-privatization but obviously i have better things to do than go through every single one of those examples, so i’ll give this point. the uk was doing fine, if not great with a strong public industry. then successive neoliberal Tory governments, starting with the devil incarnate Th*tcher, privatised everything and gave us years and years of austerity. now everything’s crap.
FACT CHECK TIME!
(Note: We have already responded once to this, so go check that out first, but we thought we would do a fact check here as well)
Firstly, neoliberalism has nothing to do with capitalism since it’s been around way before this ideology came around, and there are plenty of capitalist countries that are not neoliberalist, such as Greece, Turkey, Singapore, South Korea, Switzerland, Monaco, North Macedonia, Russia, the Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, the Maldives, the UAE, and a lot more. Secondly, how do you know that the socialist and communist governments in the world are not going to do the same thing? In a socialist government, they are the monopoly and we have to put all our trust in them, putting us at their mercy, which ends poorly a lot of times as the government has too much power over the economy and how it’s run. Now am I saying that capitalism doesn’t have its problems either? No, but unlike a socialist government, a capitalist government has often times held companies accountable for any exploitation and harmful actions done to the public time and time again, and corrupt government officials are also called out for their crimes too, holding them accountable. Best of all, privatization allows freedom for every person to own things and to own property and to own the things they have to meet their basic needs and help others. That’s the reason capitalism is better and more rewarding and freer than socialism.
you named 5 communist countries. you clearly don't know how much was better in the uk before successive neoliberal governments privatised everything. now, the free market has decided it's efficent to just not have half the trains work, it's efficent to dump unfiltered sewage into rivers, it's efficent to only run buses where it’s profitable so rural areas are left out. and this has all cost us billions.
FACT CHECK TIME!
A country with a lack of safety and everyone’s basic needs not being met does NOT equate to capitalism. On the contrary, many places like Switzerland, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Singapore, Taiwan, Ireland, Hong Kong, Japan, Monaco, Andorra, South Korea, Portugal, New Zealand, and Australia all have the lowest homelessness rates, the highest qualities of life, and least amount of homelessness and starvation.
And since we are on the topic of living in a dangerous world where most people can barely feed themselves except two people with 500 yachts, let’s talk about countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Eritrea, Laos, and North Korea. Let’s ask those countries how they are doing right now under a socialist government with starvation, homelessness, oppression, and danger, except for a small group of people ruling the nations with lavish lifestyles that only those people under socialist nations can even DREAM OF. Talk about exploitation, and yet they’re calling the capitalists out for it. Maybe don’t falsely accuse us of encouraging exploitation by elites next time without even considering how horrible these people in the socialist (and communist nations) are being exploited by their own government. At least with capitalism, we have more freedom and higher living standards, and it worked out well for dozens of countries adopting capitalism across the world.
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