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America needs a new political party. Both of the current ones are bad. Republicans are way too reactionary, Democrats are pro-censorship, and both are getting more extreme. Neither appropriately represents an average person.

May 8, 2023, 3:32 PM
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I wonder if America genuinely would be better if it was completely democratic

honestly it would be, but there would need to be some centralized government to make sure it stayed democratic. but that obviously leads to it’s own problems

I wonder if America would be better if it didn’t prevent people from voting too.

You mean people under 18?

No, I mean its non-white citizens… However, a good argument could be made for why a bunch of 70-year-old men are making decisions that affect the future of the country (which they won’t be around to see). 25% of Americans are under 18 btw…

Also, if Marjorie Taylor Greene can vote, I think the vast majority of 16-year-olds should be allowed to too. I personally believe that applying a general rule against all young people, regardless of maturity isn’t fair. There are many 16-year-olds with a better understanding of politics than some >80-year-olds.

teenagers don’t pay taxes they shouldnt vote

billionaires don’t pay taxes they shouldn’t vote

Why is not paying taxes such a problem? There is no organization that wastes money better than the federal government. Evading taxes in every way possible is actually a good way to steward your money.

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If this was really true, than why do low-income people (who pay a higher tax rate than the rich) vote at lower rates (because of voter suppression, employers not giving them time off on voting day, lack of transportation, etc.) than billionaires.

A better way to think of this is: Teenagers are affected by almost all laws, and are expected to follow them, but have practically zero say in voting for them, while someone who is elderly, sick, and 6 months away from dying (who will not be around to see the laws take effect, and who will not be affected by them) can vote…

Sources:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/americas-richest-400-families-pay-a-lower-tax-rate-than-average-taxpayer.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/politics/poorer-americans-have-much-lower-voting-rates-in-national-elections-than-the-nonpoor-a-study-finds.html#:~:text=The%20study%2C%20by%20a%20Columbia,above%20twice%20the%20poverty%20line.

Rich people have been working hard to make the poor, working-class, and young people (all who are typically more progressive) fear talking about politics by making it a taboo. By lowering engagement among these groups, voter turnout becomes low, as people feel less motivated to create actual change in their country, and the billionaires can do whatever they want.

Source/Study:

https://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/young-voters-see-politics-as-taboo-deceitful/article_d64d1516-9577-5f9b-b977-14383743249e.html

Are you saying that Marjorie Taylor Greene shouldn’t be able to vote?

No, I’m saying that the vast majority of 16-year-olds (who are more aware about / understand politics/science/the world better and who are usually more mature) should.

also, they should put in term limits

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